Different Size Variator

[thebatman]

..batman...from a derestricted oem state, ...open the airbox (K&N) and main jet, then do plug chops....adjust your main jet accordingly, due to what you see at the firing ring area of your plug...

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                oh crap, here you go again with that....lmao........... she seemed ok, a bit lean tho..... can i try and just get in the ballpark with the cvt 1st???......lmao.... did figure i would try once more with the jet issue,(raggidy ass oem carbs...lmao) guess it is good tho since i cant mess up but the one piece instead of a fully adjustable one.....lmao

[art]

It should be a constant pull all the way through bottom to top. It should not very too much. If the veriater  is a better performer over stock deffinetly!!!

[thebatman]

man... yesterday i posted and went out to play wit cvt...i seen my exhaust side bolts lose and my dam pipe was BROKE at the weld.....sh**, took me all day to find a roll of wire and get it fixed so i didnt find sh** out yesterday..that blowed my cvt plans...wonder if i can today, its rainy here this a.m tho

[dreflu]

you guys make my head hurt!!! whats been up shaka..... how long does it take to wear a belt out if you're doing ALOT of line locking? i just put the right size tires back on and put the rollers i had back in but i didn't get my top end back.

[art]

Never hurts to replace if there is any doubt. You'll have a spare.  No top,may need heavier rollers,didn't you change them? 8.5 are stock. May also need to clean out the cvt and deglaze the clutch.

[sidthesloth]

G'day batman, I have been away a while and see you are doing your head in with this variator. With regards to the idle not dropping back, if you mean while riding then slowing down, that could be that your torque spring is keeping your clutch running until you are almost stopped, I found the same thing when I put the 1000 spring in. as Art suggested, change one item at a time to see what difference it makes before moving on to the next. If you are using the stock torque spring I think 8.5 rollers would be too heavy. With regard to fly springs, I am using 1,500 and wouldn't go any higher. Sorry this is giving you so much grief, hope you get it sorted. If you can scrape up the money, a cyl. kit is well worth the effort. I sometimes think of going back to stock to see the difference..... but, nah bugger that, keep what I already have, not good but better than stock.
I am sorry nto hear about your friends, must be heartbraking to be there when there is not much you can do, but at least you can be there for them. All the beast to you and your friends.

[thebatman]

G'day sid...glad to see you back,hope all is well with you.... yeah, i must not be understanding the link, but if after i printed that, and i was correct i just hope i can get back, wrote most sets down, buuut, i may not have THAT one. i do think we have one of the heaviest var out there..im hoping "the light will come on" soon..lmao, will have more rollers to try soon, thanks to art.havent gotten a tuning kit yet.....      i do think NOBODY in the history of scooters has had the difficulty that I have ran across with the tunning process...lmao......i am going to try and play with it tomorrow and see if i can get it.....                                                                                                                              THANK YOU VERY MUCH SID!!...yeah, its been a bit wierd around there.. thankfully they are both still alive!!...

[sidthesloth]

Yeah batman, I am wondering just where my problems are now. With you having the trouble with your tuning makes me think my performance issues may well be in the variator not the engine, after all that work on the cylinder maybe the variator is the letdown.
Stay cool, patience and persistence will pay off in the end. I know, easier said than done.

[thebatman]

yeah, i wonder myself...i figured your scoot was good now???  shaka seemed to think the wieght wasnt an issue but im not convinced on that yet...wonder about my stock one again...lmao....guess ill see if i can get it right today......again...lmao........  what happens to be YOUR symtoms??..

[sidthesloth]

The engine runs ok, but opening the throttle it just doesn't take off as quick as I hoped it would, top speed is ok for what it is (a little scooter), around 90kph, but just doesn't get there quick enough. I was hoping to be getting away from the lights leaving the cars behind but this is not to be. I feel there is a lot more to be got from this engine but I won't be able to get it without spending more money and I have more work to do on my car which is going to cost, yep, you guessed it, more money.
When I get the car sorted I will probably buy a new exhaust for the scoot, but as the last one seems to have been a waste of money I am not in a hurry, so will just ride the scoot as is.

[thebatman]

g'day sid...yeah, that seems to be an issue with me also.                     wheres that poppin takeoff??     word and art both posted about some awesome take off now, of course they have other kymcos but shaka and z also has the same take off..with a zx!!   i played with my cvt yesterday.i currently have a 1000 w/stock flys, 7g w/"race var".  (shaka did mention this).  belt tug gone, top end back, take off BETTER but not like EVERYBODY ELSE.. does seem to need a tad more stall at take off. hypothectically like she wants to go at 36-3800 instead of 4000.. i have to be close, rpms seem very close to the same throughout, got that long,steady climb...she seemed to run nicely yesterday with that so i am wondering if i even need to try a 1500 contra set up.....i can try a 6.5 in this var this a.m but i dont have but 2 lighter weights.. i at least want to be close so i can go to the next project(cuz its gonna change then also.....AGAIN).. but as sid said, the take off, you have great takeoff, we dont...lmao

[thebatman]

no comments from yesterday      well i tried 6.5s, belt tug came back a touch seems ok except for the tug..........                                           can anybody tell me the signifigance of these fly springs?  went out and traded stock for 1500..revs higher but take off seems slower than with oem....do you have to change weights also messing with the flys???

[art]

  For me the slow take off was belt slipping (rev higher but go no faster = more weight). You will have to change the weights. Once you have that you can fine tune even more with the fly springs the way i see it. Heavier springs to slow the grab at take off,lighter to grab quicker at take off. Keep in mind once the clutch is engaged it does nothing else it's locked on the bell. all the tuning is back to the verieter,weights and horsepower of the bike.
  The contra will control the rpm at which all this takes place. Getting this dialed is the key to the clutch side. It must match your bikes power output for best results.

[thebatman]

well i ASSUME i am close, unless of course i wanna start allllllll over again with a 1500 contra......the oem var makes her scream at wot, the heavier one slows her down a tad, no scream..... still have slow take off but better than it has been, rpms sound good(no tach)...no snappy take off for sure.........

[thebatman]

also thought about this......so since the 6.5s gave a bit of belt tug/slippage, i could THEN put in the 1500 fly springs and that should handle that where i can try the 6.5, 6s?