Rev limiter

[zombie]

A bonus! What did it cost you! (for the others looking)

[0BARK4322]

THIS IS THE REV-LIMITER FOR THE SUPER 9 L/C, JUST PULL APART THE WIRES AND THAT'S IT--GREAT

[zombie]

The liquid cooled engine has a higher peak timing vs the AC version due to the cooler running temp of the LC. Up-size your jet 2 steps, and run 1 size colder plug or you do stand a chance of melting your piston. There is a +5 degree difference in the 2 cdi's That is why the LC engine is more powerfull. Other than those two small mods it is fine to swap the cdi's

[buzzbomb]

Well, this CDI is what I have now installed -http://www.partsforscooters.com/169-27-Performance-CDI . It seems to be about the same performance, as far as I can tell- but this is a totally stock S9 A/C, 2008 model.
I am , of course, looking for more performance, so, what's the next step for my scooter? I am thinking a clutch or modding the stock one, looking for higher top end. I  have read all I can find on this tricky subject- where do I, as an amateur, start? Moped Hospital has  a lot of popular clutch components, but I am overwhelmed at the  different parts. Any help and guidance for a newbie?
 I will probably go all out with a 70cc kit later, but for now, a clutch is in order.
Your thoughts, gentlemen?
TIA !

[zombie]

http://www.malossiusaonline.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=++527880   That's the jammer you want! It usually runs for $140.00 anywhere else.

[buzzbomb]

http://www.malossiusaonline.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=++527880   That's the jammer you want! It usually runs for $140.00 anywhere else.

Thanks, Zombie- I am probably going with that, very soon. As I have a stock S9, when i install that new clutch, should i also change my rollers? I know rider weight is critical, I weigh about (ahem) 190lbs- i should use lighter rollers than stock, correct? I have been doing my homework on this stuff, and although I will most likely end up with a 70cc kit, i want to upgrade one step at a time, and not have to redo anything later.
SO- new Malossi clutch on order, maybe new rollers,- how about carb mods? Do I need to mess with jetting yet, or just leave well enough alone, of course awaiting that 70cc kit?
Is a Technigas pipe beneficial to a stock motor, and will it then work even better with the larger cylinder I am putting on later?
Man, I'm gonna go broke this summer! BUT, still cheaper than the BMW tuning.....

[zombie]

OOOOHhhhh DuDE! You wil be surprised at the difference! Depending if you want a wheelie machine, or a top end runner. Either way the best thing you can do is replace the airbox w/ a free flo filter. Many don't like them because they blow engines w/ them. Even the lighter rollers will need more fuel, or a colder plug. This little engine tuning has my attention

[buzzbomb]

Well Zombie, I like your enthusiasm! I will order the Malossi clutch, and I am also thinking of lighter rollers and a stiffer torque spring, to be determined yet. We'll see what that combo gets me- I have a bet to win with a coworker- I need to beat his (as yet) unmodified C3 Yamaha. I do believe I have the upper hand here with all the good advice I have found here!
 What, exactly do I do with my air filter, and carb jetting- when it comes to carbs, I am not that experienced with modding or re jetting. I will search for an air filter to try out. And, why do engines blow with them.....? I have run the scooter on the stand with the airbox removed, but not rode without it. My old Razz would not even move off the line without the airbox, so I am curious.
Thanks for the help!

 

[zombie]

The idea of adding a free flo filter is to allow more air into the clyinder. W/ more air you must have more fuel to keep the mix ratio at safe levels. If you just install a filter, the engine will scream! you will think you found a magic set-up.... until the piston melts, and you are pushing it home. One of the best steps to moding your scoot would be getting a PROPER reed cage/intake manifold/carb. For about 200. bucks you can get a good Delorto, or any other top brand set-up. This will add about 5 mph top end, and get you there alot quicker. If you want a pipe, I use the Technigas r2. Don't buy the Next version as it will not breath well if you go to a 70cc kit. The rollers will have to be changed w/ each mod you do as they tune the cvt to run at the rpm range you need for each set up. I suggest buying a few CHEAP sets of them so you can find what you like, and not hurt your budget too much. Once you have the scoot the way you like it go out and get the good rollers. I think w/ just the carb. set-up you can kick the C-3's A$$. 

[buzzbomb]

All right, Zombie! I am ready.
So, we've got a new clutch. New (lighter) rollers, stiffer torque spring, and larger carb and reed setup. And  the 70cc setup, and last but not least a Technigas pipe (not the Next!). What should I order first- THIS WEEKEND? Unfortunately, I will need to spread the cost out a bit to do it all, so one step at a time. As I  said before, I want to be able to make each modification compliment  each other, and keep improving the performance.
 I have scanned many web sites, and have a few ideas what I should get first, but a little help will get me going. My credit card is ready to rock and roll!
So, step one?

[zombie]

we've got a new clutch. New (lighter) rollers, stiffer torque spring, I would start here! You could buy a set of each 5.5gr/6gr./7gr. rollers. The 7's will do well for now, and you will want to go lighter w/ each additional mod. I would go w/ the carb/intake system second as you will want a solid clutch to get the power to the ground. The only way to get it all tuned would be to add the jug kit, and pipe together. That will hurt the wallet a bit, but it will save you doing all the tuning over, and over. All together I have around $1'500.00 in mods., and because they are all quality parts it now costs me less to maintain the scoot. Once a year I change the springs/belt,/fluids, and I use a new set of rings about twice a year. It all comes down to the details. Just post up your ?'s, and you'll be LUVI'N your scoot.

[buzzbomb]

Zombie, THANKS for the advice! I am gonna find a clutch, torque spring, and rollers first. I was looking at the Dr. Pulley sliders- any opinions on these? I just don't know what size I need, but, like you said, maybe just an assortment of rollers for know, trying the different weights . Any advantage to replacing the stock variator, or just swap out rollers?
The 70cc kit will happen sometime down the road. This is going to be fun!!

[zombie]

The materials used in the aftermarket vars is MUCH better than the stamped/cast parts in the stock var. Also the ramp angles are steeper to get to the top range quicker. If you can spare the coin to go for the clutch/var/belt/rollers all in one shot, it would be the best move you can make to get that 9 kicking some a$$. Dr. Pulley sliders do have an edge on performance so getting the weight right for you using cheep rollers is a better approach than guessing at a $30.00 set of sliders. You won't see any great power difference w/ tuning the cvt... but the gain is in how, and when the power you do have is applied. I did my mods in the same order. cvt/carb.kit/jug&pipe. I had to re-tune the var weights each time but the springs remained the same. I'll wait for that post that is all smile faces...

[buzzbomb]

OK Zombie, thanks for the info- I am thinking about getting a new variator, the Malossi Delta clutch, and a new torque spring- sooooo, my question- where do I find  a variator?? I have scanned a few popular websites, and the Malossi site has about 87 different variators listed, and about that many different prices, too- their website does not have any easy means of determining which one of many I need for my application. I am sure there must be other places online, but I need help picking the one that fits, and where to get it. I have read much about the Technomoto variator, but a search turns up, well, not much.
Popular sites, such as Moped Hospital, do not list Technomoto. I know there may be others worth considering; this is just my feeble attempt to locate a couple different models. Any suggestions?
 Also, when I search sites such as Moped Hospital, some do not list Super 9 air cooled as a search category. Any difference in these parts? Seems the air cooled is a bit of a less popular scoot, but that was all they produced 2 years ago when I bought mine new. I still like it , though....
With your patient help here, I think I can get R' dun!
As always, TIA!!!

[zombie]

http://www.scooterworks.com/Malossi_Cyl_Kit_-_People_Cobr_P2353C519.cfm   This page has the jug kit, and under it is the variator. Malossi usa dosen't list it on their site. (because it is a discontinued scoot) 104.99 is a fair price, but if you call Malossi w/ the part #'s, and prices I'm sure they will run you a deal. Mention the forum, and Ken/zombie. They work real well w/ me. Many times w/ no shipping, or if a part is out of stock they will do a no shipping deal if I wait 7-10 days for it to arrive. You may find the same a scooter works, as I have never ordered from them but many of us here have. There are 4-5 good brands for parts, but Malossi, and Polini make theirs for racing, and prove them every day. Others are just band wagon jumpers in my opinion. I just noticed the var needs a face plate along w/ the kit. Don't forget to ask about that.