Author Topic: Downtown 300i - Battery warning light and not charging (fix)  (Read 7711 times)

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For a year, the red battery warning light would appear soon after riding at night with the headlights on. After several tests with a multimeter, this warning light only appeared when the battery voltage dropped below 12.0V volts. The battery was never more than 12.3 volts after riding it for an hour at night. This meant two things - the battery was dying or the charging system was faulty, so I investigated it.

I replaced my existing battery with a new Yuasa 12V, 8Ah, 135CCA battery. It was charged overnight before installation. After a few more night rides the warning light still came on. A quick battery test showed it had only 15% charge after riding for an hour. This meant that there was an issue with the charging system.

How to check the charging system on the DT300i:

1) Open the seat. remove the seat and then the seat bucket.
2) Locate the voltage regulator on the right hand side of the seat area, just in front of the right seat latch.
3) Disconnect the 3 yellow wires leading to the voltage regulator.
 4) Use a multimeter to meaure the resistance between each of the yellow terminals of the connector coming from the generator. This should be around 0.5 ohms. If it is close to 0 ohms then there is a short circuit in the coil. If the value is high, then the coil is broken or burnt out. Also, there should be no continuity (conductive path) between the connector and the bike's frame/ negative terminal.
5) Start the bike on and measure the AC voltage between any 2 of the 3 terminals of the connector. At idle this should be 24-26 volts. At 4000 rpm this should increase to 60+ volts. The voltage should be similar across any two terminals, indicating healthy coils.
6) Turn off the bike and plug the connector back in.
7) Measure the voltage of the battery. Anything less than 12.0 indicates a flat battery.
8) Turn on the bike and rev it to 4000rpm and measure the battery voltage again. In my case it was only 13 volts. It should be 14-15 volts for sufficient charging.

After confirming that the generator was fine and the regulator was faulty, I replaced it with a new regulator from eBay. The regulator is easy to replace - there are only two 10mm bolts holding it to the frame and two connectors to disconnect. Now the battery light never comes on and the battery voltage after an hour-long ride (with headlights on, drawing 6 amps) is 13.2 volts, much better than the previous 12.0 volts. My battery tester confirmed that the battery was still 95% charged. Also, the charging voltage is at least 13.8 volts @ 4000 rpm and the headlights are brighter.


« Last Edit: June 12, 2019, 10:25:14 AM by mousejunks »
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Re: Downtown 300i - Battery warning light (fix)
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2017, 04:15:24 PM »
This very good and usable information mousejunks. I know much about the functions of a gas engine, but have always shied away from the electronics for some reason. I will copy your post and insert it in my Kymco folder for further reference . That's the great thing about these forums, as they become a knowledge bowl of good information concerning our scoots. Thanks for you input.


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Re: Downtown 300i - Battery warning light (fix)
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2017, 05:39:09 PM »
Really good job, Mouse! This kind of info goes way beyond the service manual!

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Re: Downtown 300i - Battery warning light (fix)
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2017, 10:05:04 PM »
I do have a background in electronics, I didn't know it would be useful in real life.

Also, when I plugged my smart charger into the battery after a ride, the charger jumped straight from analysis > bulk > absorption in 10 seconds. There was no need for a overnight bulk charge like previously needed.
« Last Edit: May 10, 2017, 09:36:36 AM by mousejunks »
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Re: Downtown 300i - Battery warning light (fix)
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2017, 06:04:56 PM »
I do have a background in electronics, I didn't know it would be useful in real life.

Also, when I plugged my smart charger into the battery after a ride, the charger jumped straight from analysis > bulk > absorption in 10 seconds. There was no need for a overnight bulk charge like previously needed.
Good work. Very clear and usefull. T. Y. [emoji6]

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Re: Downtown 300i - Battery warning light (fix)
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2017, 06:30:36 PM »
Question:

Would you recommend the ebay vendor you bought the replacement regulator from ?
I  would assume it was a discount offering and great value ?
If so, after being proven, would you post a specific link to that part?
Tnx!
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Re: Downtown 300i - Battery warning light (fix)
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2017, 11:02:48 PM »
It was the only item I bought from the eBay seller, but it only took 5 days, not 4 weeks to get it shipped from China. Price was 27 AUD.

Here is the link: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Regulator-Rectifier-KYMCO-Venox-250-Xciting-300-500-Downtown-People-200-300-AU/282279929105?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
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Re: Downtown 300i - Battery warning light (fix)
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2017, 03:37:11 AM »

  the Reg is off the scooter,  is there any way to test this Reg. off the scooter

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Re: Downtown 300i - Battery warning light (fix)
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2017, 03:51:35 AM »
The regulator requires a 3-phase AC input up to 60V, it would be very hard to get those specific conditions for testing when the reg is outside those specific conditions.
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Re: Downtown 300i - Battery warning light (fix)
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2017, 05:30:44 AM »
thanks for the INFO I will order a new one now,. 

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Re: Downtown 300i - Battery warning light (fix)
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2017, 11:01:44 AM »
i wanna ask about this issue, as i'm having a damaged regulator (rectifier) for the second time in less than one year, the first damaged one was the stock one after more than 2 years service (24,000 km) and the second after more than 3 years and about (36,000 km service)
the first and the second time i thought it was the battery but after measuring the diode by avometer, the regulator found to be the faulty one
i'm just wondering if this is normal that rate of damage for the regulator or is this related to any other factor in my electric circuit (i have changed the main headlight bulbs with LED type 40w each)
i found a video on youtube talking about changing the position of the regulator to have more air flow thus prevent its failure due to excess heat not dissipated   

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Re: Downtown 300i - Battery warning light (fix)
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2017, 11:44:41 AM »
No idea why they would fail within a year, possibly the regulator is a faulty batch or something is overheating.
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Re: Downtown 300i - Battery warning light (fix)
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2017, 01:16:49 PM »
These regulators from Kymco seem to be prone to failure judging from just the posts on here. The bullet-proof replacement is the Honda reg-rectifier made by Shindengen. I think I recall 253.....gotta post on this a while back with the right numbers. The Shindengen / Honda has a larger heat sink and undoubtedly way better electronic components. One mode of failure with the Kymco regs is to destroy the stator. Peter Kapitar in Hungary made these discoveries and his mech-techs found the solution. The ebay regs are as bad as the Kymcos.

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Re: Downtown 300i - Battery warning light (fix)
« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2018, 11:19:17 AM »
Thank you guys for this great info! I'm not going to wait for a failure. I'll be getting a Honda one soon to prevent a future failure of reg/rec, stator and battery.

This forum is very useful with you guys sharing your experiences.

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Re: Downtown 300i - Battery warning light and not charging (fix)
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2019, 06:11:24 PM »
hey mouse , very good information . I have the same issue and i followed your instructions . The connector is around 0.5 ohms but the O/P AC voltage is around 4v not between 24v-26v at idle and is around 6v at 4000 rpm . so Is the coil has a problem?
thanks.

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