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Re: First Service the Piaggio
« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2017, 07:11:32 AM »
Pretty sure none of the Taiwanese bikes want ya to screw 'em in.
I checked my SYM manual and my Kymco S200, & GT300i manual on this.
The S was a bit unclear, but the other two specified to not screw the dipstick in while checking.
From the GT300I manual

ENGINE OIL
OIL LEVEL INSPECTION
Stop the engine and support the scooter
upright on the level ground.
Wait for 2~3 minutes and check the oil level
with the dipstick. Do not screw in the dipstick
when checking the oil level.
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Re: First Service the Piaggio
« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2017, 10:18:24 AM »
Seen largish bikes that do not have center stands, dip-stick must be checked with bike held upright.
HD's with side stand mark on stick is brilliant!
I will not resume my tirade on sight windows!....but does anyone make one which is geared for viewing on a center stand?
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Re: First Service the Piaggio
« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2017, 11:24:26 AM »
I've been told that Suzuki doesn't but that's all I've ever done on my 650.  No issues in ~40k miles on 'em.

Seen largish bikes that do not have center stands, dip-stick must be checked with bike held upright.
HD's with side stand mark on stick is brilliant!
I will not resume my tirade on sight windows!....but does anyone make one which is geared for viewing on a center stand?
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Re: First Service the Piaggio
« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2017, 02:05:59 PM »
I will not resume my tirade on sight windows!....but does anyone make one which is geared for viewing on a center stand?

Meaning? The B650 you either have to stand back quite a bit to see, use a mirror, or get down. I've notice on the MyRoad it's quite easy to see walking up from the rear area or even close to the bike. All checked on the center stand.
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Re: First Service the Piaggio
« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2017, 03:15:08 PM »
Meaning? The B650 you either have to stand back quite a bit to see, use a mirror, or get down. I've notice on the MyRoad it's quite easy to see walking up from the rear area or even close to the bike. All checked on the center stand.
Serious Burgman 400 guys tell you that you cannot get an accurate oil level reading unless the scoot is off of the center stand, held dead level, no weight on seat, mono-shock at mid setting, moon over left shoulder. One is also supposed to check the oil level during fuel stops if running it hard and long on the interstate. (many theories about where the oil is departing to, but it is leaving)
Get out the mirror, hire a kid, or kneel in the gas/oil/water puddle at the Shell station in a driving rain storm while you hold the 500 lb scooter dead level with one hand to look at a little dirty window in the dark


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Re: First Service the Piaggio
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2017, 03:52:50 PM »
All of this discussion on oil level checking comes back to my original question to Tom. Does your Piaggio  owner's manual tell you to check it threaded in or out.  It matters. If you fail to follow the manufactures directions you will wind up with a reading of 1/4 ~ 3/8 inch high or low, unless you use Kentucky windage like de dee does. (LOL)
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Re: First Service the Piaggio
« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2017, 07:04:29 PM »
Dipstick is to be fully threaded into the engine.
I'm  not the only owner complaining of fill hole just slightly larger than the dipstick. ...and fill hole is nearly horizontal. Makes filling really great fun.

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Re: First Service the Piaggio
« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2017, 03:31:12 AM »
Serious Burgman 400 guys tell you that you cannot get an accurate oil level reading unless the scoot is off of the center stand, held dead level, no weight on seat, mono-shock at mid setting, moon over left shoulder. One is also supposed to check the oil level during fuel stops if running it hard and long on the interstate. (many theories about where the oil is departing to, but it is leaving)
Get out the mirror, hire a kid, or kneel in the gas/oil/water puddle at the Shell station in a driving rain storm while you hold the 500 lb scooter dead level with one hand to look at a little dirty window in the dark

From the Burgman 650 Factory Service Manual under oil change.

• Keep  the  motorcycle  upright  with  the  center  stand.
• Start the  engine and  allow it  to run  for  three  minutes  at  idling speed.
• Turn  off  the engine and  wait  about three minutes,  then  check the oil  level  through the inspection  window A.  If  the  level is below mark  “L”, add oil  to  “F”  level.  If  the  level  is above  mark “F”,  drain oil  to  “F”  level.

From the MyRoad Factory Service manual.

Start the engine and let it idle for 2-3 minutes.
Turn off the engine and support the scooter level surface.
Check the engine oil level. The level must be maintained between the upper H (1) and lower level L (2) marks on the oil inspection screen (3). If the oil level is below or near the lower level line, add the recommended engine oil until the oil level is to the upper level.

From the Aprilia Atlantic Factory Service manual.

Position the vehicle on firm and flat ground.
Position the vehicle on the centre stand.
Switch off the engine, let the oil flow into the crankcase and allow the engine and oil to cool down.
Unscrew and extract the plug/dipstick.
Clean the partime in contact with the oil with a clean cloth.
Tighten the plug/dipstick completely, screwing it into the filling hole.
Withdrawal the plug/dipstick again and read the oil level on the dipstick itself.

And for checking the transmission oil
Put the vehicle on a solid and flat surface.
Put the vehicle on the central stand.
Unscrew and remove the cap/dipstick.
Clean dipstick with a clean cloth.
Completely screw the cap/dipstick into the filling hole.
Remove the cap/dipstick again and check the oil level.

As others have stated it seems the Kymco line with an oil dipstick says not to screw it back in to check the oil level. The Italian scooters like Piaggio and Aprilia have you screw the dipstick in all the way to check oil level. It seems the Japanese scoots with a oil dipstick (checked Honda Helix) sys not to screw it back in to check the level. You'd really think all would try to make the procedure standard, sheese.
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Re: First Service the Piaggio
« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2017, 08:34:24 AM »
Well heck that explains why my burger's been OK to date.  I do check it on the CS
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Re: First Service the Piaggio
« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2017, 10:38:44 AM »
Ummmm, one more question: Honda mower. In or out??
Somebody left the manual in the bubble wrap....then his wife tossed it.
Wish Suzy had same easy instructions for the 400.
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Re: First Service the Piaggio
« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2017, 02:07:49 PM »
Ummmm, one more question: Honda mower. In or out??
Somebody left the manual in the bubble wrap....then his wife tossed it.

http://m.powerequipment.honda.com/support/owners-manuals/lawn-mowers/hrr

From one of the Honda mover manuals.

a. Wipe the dipstick clean.
b. Insert and remove the dipstick without screwing it into the filler neck. Check the oil level shown on the dipstick.
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Re: First Service the Piaggio
« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2017, 03:53:06 PM »
If nothing else comes of all this, at least, we've established the importance of checking the oil BY THE BOOK. This is how we learn. Thanks to all for your input.
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Re: First Service the Piaggio
« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2017, 04:17:07 AM »
Now I know why my oil level is wrong: I set the bike on the center stand, instead of the centre stand!
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Re: First Service the Piaggio
« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2017, 10:53:34 AM »
Now I know why my oil level is wrong: I set the bike on the center stand, instead of the centre stand!
Well, heck yes!
With our crowned roads - you park on the wrong side of the street and you're going to get a bad reading.
U.K. and colonies L side of street; Wally World > R side of road.
The confusion comes with those who cannot still find their manual: "facing traffic" , or "with traffic"...???
Engines will grenade if you get this all wrong. No worries - if it hasn't, yet.
(I used to do free services on an elderly female coworker's VW Beetle. A custodian at our hospital. Removed the oil drain....and had to dig the crud out with a screwdriver, then it plopped out like yogurt. And 2 spark plugs were crossthreaded.
She followed the serv. sched. of,  "don't messwidit if it's running" - not a bad plan on VW's....and Sears mowers.)
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Re: First Service the Piaggio
« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2017, 12:09:13 PM »
Stuo! Go to your room!

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