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Charging system
« on: September 30, 2018, 09:18:36 PM »
What is the alternator/stator/regulator-rectifier output capability? Not in specs in owners manual (big surprise!), not in severe manual (no surprise!). Anyone?

I am tempted to get two 55 watt halogens for high beam since 35 watts are lame.
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Re: Charging system
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2018, 03:13:18 AM »
Well... different bike, but I have about 160 watts spare on my 250.

I'd be most worried about the housing, and maybe the wiring/fuses.

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Re: Charging system
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2018, 03:59:25 AM »
Why stay on halogen when you can go LED?
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Re: Charging system
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2018, 11:42:32 AM »
Why stay on halogen when you can go LED?
Doesn't the light bucket actually need to be configured from the factory for an LED bulb? Seems to me that the reflector would be all wrong.
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Re: Charging system
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2018, 01:03:06 PM »
Doesn't the light bucket actually need to be configured from the factory for an LED bulb? Seems to me that the reflector would be all wrong.
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Yes, YES! I have a lengthy post on here somewhere about LED "experiment" with pictures. The affordable LED halogen replacements have unacceptable beam patterns. The chips are in the wrong place and the ratings are nonsense. The lumens output do not match the watts and amps.
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Re: Charging system
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2018, 01:06:39 PM »
By the way, I sent an email to Shindengen and got an answer already! The say the 232-12 is proprietary with Honda and cannot divulge watts and amps. So now will email Honda. Yep, I emailed Kymco Taiwan!
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Re: Charging system
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2018, 01:08:56 PM »
Well... different bike, but I have about 160 watts spare on my 250.

I'd be most worried about the housing, and maybe the wiring/fuses.
How you know dat? What bike? What reg-rectifier? If this thing is 160 watts, no problemo!
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Re: Charging system
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2018, 01:21:16 PM »


What is the alternator/stator/regulator-rectifier output capability? Not in specs in owners manual (big surprise!), not in severe manual (no surprise!). Anyone?

I am tempted to get two 55 watt halogens for high beam since 35 watts are lame.

Would the higher wattage bulbs create too much heat for the reflectors?
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Re: Charging system
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2018, 01:26:03 PM »
Good question. I don't know. Willing to try regardless. Less concerned about reflectors than being able to see if I get stuck out after sunset! Present high beam unusable.
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Re: Charging system
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2018, 08:16:56 PM »
Update: Talked with Honda this afternoon and they tell me they do not have that information and call the local dealer! I retorted, "Ha, ha. You make joke, right?" Anyway, I thanked them for calling back from an email. What do you think? Figure a Honda shop is gonna have that in their service manual?
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Re: Charging system
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2018, 01:12:30 AM »
I changed the original 4 halogen of my DT, by two pairs of Chinese brand 6C

In my eyes, they changed from water to wine ...

I can see about 400 meters ahead

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Re: Charging system
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2018, 01:31:26 AM »
I've heard of some people needing to drill holes in the bulb housing of other bikes to let the excess heat out.

The bike is a Yamaha XV250. The manual is more helpful than the Kymco manual apparently. I actually just read someone else's math without checking it myself -- seems they were referencing the output at a moderate speed, rather than idle.

Rectifier/regulator is a Shindengen SH650 rated at 18 amps. Stator is a Denso LMZ65 with at output of 12.5ish amps at 1500rpm, 20amps at 2000 rpm, 25amps at 4000rpm.

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Re: Charging system
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2018, 12:20:27 AM »
What is the alternator/stator/regulator-rectifier output capability? Not in specs in owners manual (big surprise!), not in severe manual (no surprise!). Anyone?

I am tempted to get two 55 watt halogens for high beam since 35 watts are lame.

Hello Karl. Probably a little different but this is the GTI People 300 specs. Hope this helps a bit.


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Re: Charging system
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2018, 10:02:22 AM »
Those are battery specs, agilebda. Thanks, anyway. Same spec page as for DT300i....
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Re: Charging system
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2018, 01:26:54 PM »
I've heard of some people needing to drill holes in the bulb housing of other bikes to let the excess heat out.

The bike is a Yamaha XV250. The manual is more helpful than the Kymco manual apparently. I actually just read someone else's math without checking it myself -- seems they were referencing the output at a moderate speed, rather than idle.

Rectifier/regulator is a Shindengen SH650 rated at 18 amps. Stator is a Denso LMZ65 with at output of 12.5ish amps at 1500rpm, 20amps at 2000 rpm, 25amps at 4000rpm.
I would jump on those 55 watt bulbs if this could be close to the Kymco output! It remains a mystery how to verify since it seems to be a "national secret!"
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