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2012 dowtown starting issue
« on: April 07, 2020, 11:18:10 AM »
On thursday I filled it up, friday morning doesnt want to start, I come back from work, it starts.
Yesterday it started right away and I rode it to and from work, 55 km both ways.
Today it didnt want to start.
So what could be wrong?

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Re: 2012 dowtown starting issue
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2020, 12:08:26 PM »
To better understand the problem, when you say it "doesn't want to start" is the engine turning over but not catching, or is the starter not operating. If it is the latter then the issue is an electrical problem which someone else will have to address.

If the engine will not catch then the basics to check would be fuel, spark, air probably in that order. To check for fuel pull the spark plug and see if the end is damp, for spark press the starter switch while watching the spark plug for an arc (a dark background might help), and for air make sure the filter is reasonably clean.

Hope that helps, good luck with diagnostics. 
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Re: 2012 dowtown starting issue
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2020, 12:19:24 PM »
Yea, its turning over, but doesnt start it.

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Re: 2012 dowtown starting issue
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2020, 12:22:02 PM »
Okay. Fuel, spark, air applies then.
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Re: 2012 dowtown starting issue
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2020, 02:16:28 PM »
Started it again after work, rode  a few km, parked it, shut down, turn the key on, showing engine light code 33.

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Re: 2012 dowtown starting issue
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2020, 05:16:45 PM »
I have not worked with modern bikes. Sorry I can't help with engine codes.
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Re: 2012 dowtown starting issue
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2020, 05:44:48 PM »
I would check all connections to the sensors and throttle body.
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Re: 2012 dowtown starting issue
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2020, 06:46:09 PM »
Code 33 injector fault. Not necessarily! The ECM is activating the injector by providing a ground to one side of the injector coil. The other side is powered by the fuel pump relay. So before you go down the road the service manual sends you do THIS: LISTEN! When you turn the key on and the tach and speedo do their full scale dance up and back to zero. You should also hear the fuel pump running. I will bet you do when it starts and you don't hear it when it does not start. That means your fuel pump relay is faulty, not the injector!

All the relays in the DT300i are the same part and part number. So if the LISTEN test says "relay" use the hi-beam relay as a replacement while you wait for the part to arrive. Kymco wants 28 bucks US for the relay and I got 5 of them from Amazon for 8 bucks. Single pole, single throw (SPST) relay, automotive.

How do I know this? My 2013 DT300i did the same thing recently!
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Re: 2012 dowtown starting issue
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2020, 07:39:20 PM »
Code 33 injector fault. Not necessarily! The ECM is activating the injector by providing a ground to one side of the injector coil. The other side is powered by the fuel pump relay. So before you go down the road the service manual sends you do THIS: LISTEN! When you turn the key on and the tach and speedo do their full scale dance up and back to zero. You should also hear the fuel pump running. I will bet you do when it starts and you don't hear it when it does not start.
What do you mean with this?
I can hear the fuel pump.

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Re: 2012 dowtown starting issue
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2020, 07:49:19 PM »
Also there is one hose going from where the air filter is that is not connected to anything, what is that for?

The furthest one on the picture.

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Re: 2012 dowtown starting issue
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2020, 08:36:58 PM »
Looks like a breather hose.
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Re: 2012 dowtown starting issue
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2020, 09:35:28 PM »
What do you mean with this?
I can hear the fuel pump.
The fuel pump is heard EVERY time? Even when it won't start?

The furthest hose, that the one that looks kind of tan? If that is the one you are indicating, it is supposed to have a black plug in the end of it. Very hard to see. Must lay on your back and look up. The slang name for it is the "Puke tube." Must be drained periodically.
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Re: 2012 dowtown starting issue
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2020, 11:32:56 PM »
I learned that a couple weeks ago. My bikes manual doesn't tell about it and the oil/fuel backed up into the air intake. It made a mess of the carb.
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Re: 2012 dowtown starting issue
« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2020, 12:40:36 AM »
That Puke Tube slop will stop an engine! Or at least give it aches and pains! Stuff generally stinks like stale fuel and has the consistency of soy sauce.
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Re: 2012 dowtown starting issue
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2020, 02:26:37 AM »
That is why it no longer vents to the air intake. I have all vent lines sealed into the lid of a small container that I can pull the bottom off and dump.
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