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Four engine failures at nearly the same time
« on: October 28, 2020, 01:19:39 AM »
Yep, four (4). Not scooter or car but yard/farm type equipment with gas engines.The only reason I even bring it up is the similar causes can crop up in ANY gas engine regardless of size. Two 2-strokes and two 4-strokes.
1. Loss of compression, no start. Was running and shut down for fuel, no restart, free spinning. No resistance to pull start rope. Sidelined until after grass season. 4-stroke Briggs w/ Easy-spin start feature.
2. Failure to run. 2-stroke string trimmer by Echo. Seven years of service, not one failure until now. Still good compression would start and run on choke but faded out when choke opened. Two possibles: pumper carb not pumping or loss of crankcase compression. Was not the carb. One crank seal of two leaking. Seals on order.
3. Chainsaw locked up. Pull starter would not turn engine. Echo 2-stroke worked for seven years. Last use less than 15 seconds then stored. Disassembled to find rust in cylinder! Cleaned cylinder and piston, ring and groove. Starts and runs normal now.
4. Toro zero turn, V-2 Kohler 4-stroke, in use 4 seasons. Fail to start, starter just spinning, Bendix would not extend the pinion. Freed up Bendix but then would not fire. Would fire on propane blown into carb intake so was a fuel problem. Pulse fuel pump worked so drained carb float bowl and removed. Snot (from ethanol fuel likely) in bottom of bowl so cleaned carb. Original battery would not hold a charge so replaced battery with lawn & garden battery I put in UXV500i. Cut a bunch of grass today!

The longest delays were in getting mail order parts like gaskets and one small roller that disappeared when blasted with compressed air. Go figure! The trouble shooting logic is the same no matter brand or type engine. The only differences is recognizing the differences in the systems and proceed from theory of checks to either prove or eliminate each possibility. Avoid repeats unless an error in either proving or eliminating suspected. Like on the mower. There were THREE things wrong! But each one was discovered and proven in sequence. Grass and weeds are HUGE! I will be busy outside well into November with the fading dry spells!
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Re: Four engine failures at nearly the same time
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2020, 07:50:14 AM »
Certainly keeping you busy eh Karl?


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Re: Four engine failures at nearly the same time
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2020, 11:30:05 AM »
Well sorted Karl!
Do you "Have Kohler, will travel" ??
Even my pup is looking at my leaves, then back at me, then at the leaves, then back at me, then ...etc.
Hoping for giant wind to make my leaves neighbor's problem!
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Re: Four engine failures at nearly the same time
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2020, 11:47:29 AM »

Hoping for giant wind to make my leaves neighbor's problem!
Stig

Ha!  Got a better solution Stig, my garden drops away some 30' from the walled patio, so all I need do is use the leaf blower to send them off over the wall and down the drop to have a nice clear patio to sit on.  Job done.
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Re: Four engine failures at nearly the same time
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2020, 12:51:14 PM »
Karl, wow, so trouble comes in..4's? That's a lot of small engine failures to deal with. I like your logical, methodical approach to diagnosing and repairing.

It's getting cold here but most of our leaves haven't even fallen, yet. I haven't raked in years...just mulch mow all the leaves in..but house and landscape are 15 years old now so trees are getting bigger with more leaves. I'd much rather be ridin' than rakin'!
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Re: Four engine failures at nearly the same time
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2020, 03:27:14 PM »
Like your logic Hawk.  Ridin', now there's a philosophy I can go along with.
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Re: Four engine failures at nearly the same time
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2020, 03:57:49 PM »
Ridin' always top priority!
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Re: Four engine failures at nearly the same time
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2020, 06:44:19 PM »
"Have Kohler will travel" theme.....


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Re: Four engine failures at nearly the same time
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2020, 02:51:26 AM »
have kohler with snow blower 48" will blow snow 60 feet  my winter ride

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Re: Four engine failures at nearly the same time
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2020, 10:24:31 PM »
Kohler on Toro mower doin' fine!

Finally got the parts for the Echo weed eater but reached a snag of needing a press to get the crank case half off. Made a wooden adapter that did the trick!
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Re: Four engine failures at nearly the same time
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2020, 12:58:32 PM »
Well sorted Karl!
Do you "Have Kohler, will travel" ??
Even my pup is looking at my leaves, then back at me, then at the leaves, then back at me, then ...etc.
Hoping for giant wind to make my leaves neighbor's problem!
Stig
Update...
Karl never showed with his riding mower!!
Wife, daughter, dog and 2 neighbor kids looking at me (they came to my front door - and just stared) and back at the leaves...
So, I mowed the d___ed things.
Stig out....
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Re: Four engine failures at nearly the same time
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2020, 02:00:18 PM »
Just had a Stihl leaf blower on mine Stig.  All looks much neater now.
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Re: Four engine failures at nearly the same time
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2020, 09:20:10 PM »
Three back in service, one to go!

Final word on the Echo SRM 225 string cutter (weed eater) ALL the service data with color pictures arevavailable on line in either video or pdf format. This mentioned BECAUSE the factory replacement piston ring should be gapped at .020" upon assembly. That seems kind of big but that is about what the original was gapped. The replacement was checked BEFORE assembly at about .0017" which is WAY too small and could seize in the bore when hot!

The fact that service data and procedures are so readily available means that Echo is more concerned about proper servicing instead of whatever Kymco USA is concerned.

What follows is a 10 hp Briggs with no compression. Tune in later for another exciting episode!
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Re: Four engine failures at nearly the same time
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2020, 01:05:29 AM »
Karl the old B&S industrial motor on my riding mower is close to 30 years old (bought the mower when Dad passed in 93) other then changing oil and battery I've had to change a plastic starter drive gear, that's it. Have gone through two sets of tires and ready for the third set.
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Re: Four engine failures at nearly the same time
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2020, 12:19:32 PM »
Karl the old B&S industrial motor on my riding mower is close to 30 years old (bought the mower when Dad passed in 93) other then changing oil and battery I've had to change a plastic starter drive gear, that's it. Have gone through two sets of tires and ready for the third set.
The steel sleeve for the cylinder is the winner! Those Echo engines have a steel sleeve. Honda and Kymco, too!
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