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Re: Tires: Performance and Lifespan.
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2020, 07:42:54 PM »
Squarish profile an issue? Just raise the pressure. At some point it will have a rounded profile:)
There's a Burgman 400 youtube riding on a car tire. Camera watching it corner.
Doesn't seem to both it much. But haven't seen one while making a sudden avoidance in the wet.

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« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2020, 09:51:46 PM »
Squarish profile an issue? Just raise the pressure. At some point it will have a rounded profile:)

actually, no, the lower the pressure, the more it feels like a MC tire, you lose flex in the sidewall, with more pressure

I ran darkside on my V-strom, as a winter experiment, very successful, but don't care for the more "cruiserish" handling in the other 3 seasons
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« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2020, 10:06:17 PM »
Squarish profile an issue? Just raise the pressure. At some point it will have a rounded profile:)
That "squarish profile" definitely is not a problem! And since it is a steel belt radial higher pressure has little effect on making it rounder profile. Pressure in the tire DOES affect handling in most cases so a darksider must play around with pressure to get the best handling. I just put in what the operator's manual said for the motorcycle-type tire and the handling was the same as with the Michelin so I did not try anything else.
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« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2020, 10:16:06 PM »
Hi Rando, sadly type doesn't convey intonation. That was written in jest as indicated by the :) at the end. I've ridden a lot on a darksided yamaha tw200 but as someone with performance inclinations I did not like the handling caused by the sidewall design. No car tire can be as good handling as a decent mc tire just because the engineered load, deflection, and overall dynamic are so different and not tuned to those conditions. It obviously will work under normal riding conditions and I totally support the decision for anyone who finds it matches their purpose.
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Re: Tires: Performance and Lifespan.
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2020, 09:17:59 AM »
Hi Rando, sadly type doesn't convey intonation. That was written in jest as indicated by the :) at the end.

Oh if only we had the irony font enabled...
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« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2020, 03:20:41 PM »
Hi Rando, sadly type doesn't convey intonation. That was written in jest as indicated by the :) at the end. I've ridden a lot on a darksided yamaha tw200 but as someone with performance inclinations I did not like the handling caused by the sidewall design. No car tire can be as good handling as a decent mc tire just because the engineered load, deflection, and overall dynamic are so different and not tuned to those conditions. It obviously will work under normal riding conditions and I totally support the decision for anyone who finds it matches their purpose.

I agree, I have not drank the kool-aid. As I said, I darksided as a winter experiment on my V-strom, a studded Karoo T in front, and a General Arctic Altimax in back, successful beyond my wildest imagination, giving me the ability to ride in all conditions from freezing rain, to blizzards, but other seasons, I did not care for the wide footprint that transmitted every road anomaly, single track was near impossible, and the floppy sidewalls when walking the bike even made that undesirable, low parking lot speed the worse, with the floppy sidewalls, till centrugal force stiffened them a bit

but for winter riding in adverse conditions, when you don't lean as much, ride a bit slower, you can't beat car rubber that is designed for cold weather and adverse conditions

with the success of my experiment, my next darkside tire will be a studded Nokian Hakkapeliitta
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Re: Tires: Performance and Lifespan.
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2020, 03:33:32 PM »
There's a Burgman 400 youtube riding on a car tire. Camera watching it corner.
Doesn't seem to both it much. But haven't seen one while making a sudden avoidance in the wet.

Stig

there is a darkside video, of "YellowWolf" ? on Deals Gap, he has a Goldwing that is darksided, and he chases other riders on Deals Gap taking videos 

a quick sample, but there are several others
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nrMQ3QwyPo&ab_channel=Ram%C3%B3nVennik
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Re: Tires: Performance and Lifespan.
« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2020, 09:51:12 PM »
Glad it worked for you. The atv tire on the Yamaha TW was awesome in the mud. Also gave it some buoyancy:)
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Re: Tires: Performance and Lifespan.
« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2020, 04:09:50 AM »
Glad it worked for you. The atv tire on the Yamaha TW was awesome in the mud. Also gave it some buoyancy:)

car tire worked well in mud, on my V-strom.... so long as you gave it enough throttle to keep the front tire just skimming the surface
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Re: Tires: Performance and Lifespan.
« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2020, 02:00:02 PM »
My dry traction is increasing each time I ride out on my Piaggio's Maxxis.
It's quickly wearing away those troublesome tread sipes and grooves😊
(anyone remember the Tiger Paw commercials decades ago. Those tire grooves "grabbed" the road like a tiger's foot - made sense to me. But then I was 9)
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