The things you learn

[Encya]

After installing the 1000 RPM torque spring this weekend my scooter actually got slower w/o any real improvement in acceleration or hill climbing.  Leads me to believe that the 1000 RPM torque spring does not work well w/the 6g sliders.  So I guess it's time to buy some 5.5g sliders.  Oh well plenty of spare parts, right.

[sidthesloth]

If using a stiffer torque spring, you might want to use heavier rollers/sliders.

[streido]

I use 5.5g rollers with a 1000rpm torque on my A50, and it seems to work well for me. Tried 6g too and im surprised you didnt feel it was better than using a stock spring?

 Did it not feel better uphill at all? Mine was ok on 6g apart from slightly slower acceleration and slightly slower uphill than using 5.5g rollers.

5.5g rollers seem best anyway for me on a 1000rpm torque so im going to order sliders myself next week, soon as i get paid 

[aokark]

Sorry for tread jacking but while we are talking about the spring, do I need any special tools to change it?

[streido]

I use an oil filter removal tool, one wth a metal band on it, and a bg shifftng spanner, dont need a vice or any other special tools.

Theres a video on youtube showing how to do it.

[Encya]

I use 5.5g rollers with a 1000rpm torque on my A50, and it seems to work well for me. Tried 6g too and im surprised you didnt feel it was better than using a stock spring?

 Did it not feel better uphill at all? Mine was ok on 6g apart from slightly slower acceleration and slightly slower uphill than using 5.5g rollers.

5.5g rollers seem best anyway for me on a 1000rpm torque so im going to order sliders myself next week, soon as i get paid 

Nope, for some reason it turned into a dog.  This is the spring I installed. http://www.scooterdomain.com/Clutch_Torque_Spring_1000_rpm_p/diocl301000.htm The performance was very close to where I wanted to be before I installed the spring too.

[streido]

Thats weird 

This is the 0ne im using http://www.exportstrength.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_44_332&products_id=609
Am using the 1000rpm now, tried the 1500 but i could not get it to run well at any weights, lost 5-8mph at all weights under 7.5g and they made it too sluggish.

Why not try cheap 5.5g rollers 1st to make sure it works ok before buying sliders?

[Encya]

I use an oil filter removal tool, one wth a metal band on it, and a bg shifftng spanner, dont need a vice or any other special tools.

Theres a video on youtube showing how to do it.

This is true.  But the job would be much easier with a 39 mm socket.  It's also much easier with an electric impact wrench.  I broke down and bought the impact wrench.  But I also ended up using the "big shifting spanner" as steido calls it.  Here across the pond it could be called anything from a "big crescent wrench", "a big adjustable wrench" or a "big chickenhead".

[Encya]

Thats weird 

This is the 0ne im using http://www.exportstrength.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_44_332&products_id=609
Am using the 1000rpm now, tried the 1500 but i could not get it to run well at any weights, lost 5-8mph at all weights under 7.5g and they made it too sluggish.

Why not try cheap 5.5g rollers 1st to make sure it works ok before buying sliders?

Because I have a feeling there is a performance difference between rollers and sliders.  In other words I may be happy with 5.5g rollers, but then find out that 5.5g sliders perform differently.

[streido]

I use the impact wrench too to get the clutch bell off. Use the oil filter tool to hold the clutch assembly while I loosen the nut to get into the torque spring with the big wrench. Then when the nut is handtight, just stand on the assembly while you loosen the nut off completely, easy.

What weight sliders would compare to 5.5g rollers then? Do you think I should maybe order 5g sliders instead of the 5.5g ones i was going to get? Im happy that 5.5g roller are the best weight for me but fancied sliders instead next time I change them.

[Encya]

In hindsight I may have over-reacted a bit.  First off the scoot seems to be performing better and better over the last week.  It could be that I got a thin film of grease or grime on the clutches, which until it was worn off, limited the performance.  Also the higher revs that the engine now produces may be influencing my judgment.