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Polini Variator
« on: November 19, 2011, 05:35:48 PM »
Just ordered a Polini Variator for my DT. Has anyone else changed theirs?

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Re: Polini Variator
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2011, 09:58:18 PM »
Contemplating changing mine cant wait to see what you think. Also would like the part no. if possible.
Good luck with the mod.

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Re: Polini Variator
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2011, 04:07:20 AM »
I have the DR Pulley sliders but am interested as well as to the results.

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Re: Polini Variator
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2011, 05:43:40 AM »

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Re: Polini Variator
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2011, 12:30:47 PM »
ETA  3 weeks

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Re: Polini Variator
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2011, 03:46:49 PM »
If the picture holds true to the actual item then there are 6 rollers instead of eight and only 3 instead of four slide pieces. Having the lower number of sliders, assuming the same weight, will change the variators rpm/speed ratios. This of course should change the performance envelope.

As stated again it will be interesting to see the results over all.............................

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Re: Polini Variator
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2011, 04:50:29 PM »
Polini never had issues with performance.. the issue was usually with the build quality..
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Re: Polini Variator
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2012, 04:52:57 PM »
Been thinking about one of these. Don't know if their any good, and I'm quite happy with just the 14GR Dr. Pulley sliders. And I don't really find the bike lacking. I suppose it's a disease of some kind as to why I keep looking. http://www.martinracingdealer.com/CategoryProductList.jsp?cat=Parts+by+Type:TURBO+KIT:Turbo+Kit+Variators

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Re: Polini Variator
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2012, 05:32:21 PM »
Dear Members:
Have you considered the possibility of using a brand J. Costa variator?. At first step you an article which describes its properties.
Transverse Drive Vs Conventional
April 3, 2009 by RCscooter
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Thanks to Cesar, J. Costa Competition we bring you a comparison between traditional drives and drives cross.
Drive roller

Currently the drive roller is the system used by all major brands, and therefore the most widespread.

The drive pulley mounted a campaign for the outside of the outer chainring.

The dish and bell housings define ramp-shaped slide that called cylindrical roller weights.

Driven by centrifugal force these rollers move out exerting a force on the ramps between which lie outside forcing the plate to move, squeezing the neck of the pulley and increasing the working diameter of the belt.

This will cause a change in gear ratio to a more long.
When the motor turns the rollers lower stop pushing the outer plate of the pulley, the driven pulley spring recovery and return to a more short.

The dishes of the pulleys are usually aluminum, steel hood and rolls of plastic with a metallic core.

All solidarity spin the engine, connected through the clutch. It is therefore evident that the weight of the rollers is very important and is closely related to the behavior of the engine light rollers need a higher speed so that centrifugal force (proportional to mass) allows close the pulley.

Using lightweight rollers get a drive pulley closes higher returns, an exchange rate generally shorter and more motor nerve. In contrast, heavy rollers, the drive will open earlier, close to a pulley system and the ratio will be lower generally longer and feel of the motor will be quieter.

A similar significance has the form of ramps where the rollers are, and clearly also influences the behavior of the drive and the way it distributes the engine's thrust at different engine speeds.

Transverse Drive J. Costa

Transverse Drive is a drive J.costa conceptually not located too far from the drive roller, but with a number of features that simplify not only what but also improve performance.

Starting from a structure like that of a conventional automatic transmission, drive Transverse change the outer plate drive pulley, the bell and the rollers (which, as we shall see, they die rolls).

Cross on the drive there are no ramps or rollers: the mobile plate of the pulley has a series of inclined holes from the inside out, distributed radially, in which are housed sliding masses, finger-shaped and, instead of turning , out pushed out by centrifugal force.

On exit, push the bell of strength and force to the plate that contains them to move laterally and close the pulley by varying the diameter of the belt.

This bell drive force element happens very simple but vitally important when defining the behavior of the drive, because depending on the profile and as the "attack" the masses sliding, the drive will close in one way or another the pulley.

Advantages and peculiarities of cross-drive

Transverse Drive Benefits go beyond the simple construction. Obviously, the assembly does not increase the performance of the engine itself, but improves the performance of the bike, since the design of the hood profile of strength and how the masses sliding bearing allow increased range of gear ratios.

Cross Drive allows to obtain, on a drive as standard, a shorter ratio at low rpm (better acceleration) and a longer relationship when the drive is fully opened (closed block), allowing the motor to run more relaxed when runs on the flat, and improving the end if we drive downhill.

While the engine as we have said never give you more power, which allows the drive to increase the values ​​Transversal power to the wheel at any speed but especially in the range of low to medium speed, improved (often dramatically) the accelerations.

Why is this?

Simply because through the whole design hood / engine turns sliding masses always cheerful and close to the maximum torque speed with the drive as standard, and this simply means having more power to the wheel and ultimately increase overall performance.

Another advantage inherent to the design of this element is the smoothness of operation, especially in the models for 4-stroke engines.

As is known, in the 4-stroke cycle engine only one of every 4 laps driving piston, ie that for every two full turns the crankshaft makes, on average pulled back and the other rotates by inertia, ie that the shift is slightly irregular, and this is especially noticeable at idle where the drive roller with a ringing metallic sound typical, while the transverse drive is fine (like silk) because of the simplicity of construction.

The lack of internal friction gives the transverse drive a better feel and a higher response speed drive roller respect, to have no contact outside bell and pulley rather than the sliding mass, the gas cut pulley closes almost instantaneously, while a drive classic bell and pulley are guided by some intermediate elements that hinder the relative movement of the two pieces and delay the closing and opening of the pulley.

Besides all the virtues described, drive Transverse has the degree of maturity to ensure longevity and maintenance comparable (if not better) than conventional rollers, and quality of materials and machined which has worked for element of this invention a safe, reliable and contrasting features.S

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Re: Polini Variator
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2012, 07:07:54 PM »
Yeah, that's great, but we hard numbers, specific Downtown 300 info, before and
after.

I've seen a lot of horror stories regarding reliability of the JCosta on different
forums (advrider, af1 apriliaforum etc..).
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Re: Polini Variator
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2012, 08:56:46 PM »
Cortez Dear, I entirely agree with what you post, but the J. Costa is on the EVO3, we refer the new features:
 J. Costa launches its new drive EVO3 R. Drive the world's most technologically advanced and best performance of the market.
 Technologically it is a drive CNC machined aluminum with a tolerance of + / - 0.002 mm, with a ceramic coating that guarantees to thousands and thousands of miles. Uses exclusive Cap J. Costa central bronze inlaid with dry graphite to lubricate the bell Titanium which helps to reduce total combined weight of 300 gr. benefits increased due to better sliding of the masses. The exclusive technology of treatment of titanium nitride bolt with graphite to give 3.300HK hardness and reduce friction with the central gland becomes of only 0.25.

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Re: Polini Variator
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2012, 03:02:13 AM »
I was looking into a J Costa about a year ago. They pulled out of America due to bad quality. They were cracking and breaking all over the place. :-*

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Re: Polini Variator
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2012, 10:44:21 AM »
The design of the J Costa is more simplistic that a stock standard roller setup. If consructed properly it should be more reliable than a stock roller setup but there are tunability issues. The J Costa has a slider finger that exxtends out in just one flat plain. Stock variators by design do not have to have the flat reponce but can have a curved one to the outside of the plate. While the flat finger slide can alow further extension by at the outside not having to deal with the round roller trying to wedge out the pulley.

This is where the DR Pulley slider have the advantage. Buy the extended profile it acts more like the J Costa pushing the pulley out rather than just wedging. This while still maintaining the curved responce at midrange. Whether using sliders or the J Costa the fingers or the cliders still have to slide! Also though with the Slider initial lower weight and 20mm over 23mm profile the operating RPM range has been increased as well as with the claim of the J Costa.

As far as rattle or smoothness, I haven't experienced any issues either stock or with the sliders...................

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Re: Polini Variator
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2012, 05:57:31 PM »
Cortez Dear, I entirely agree with what you post, but the J. Costa is on the EVO3, we refer the new features:

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..and again, no one is disputing features, it's the reliability everyone is talking about.
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