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Updates on what is working, tweaking, and questions
« on: May 28, 2012, 01:11:10 AM »
Prior to the piston debacle, I had switched from the stock muffler to a Tecnigas Silent Sport, upjetted to an 88 main jet, and moved from the 8.5 gram stock roller weights to 8 gram.
Since breaking in the new piston set-up, my gas mileage was around 36mpg (having added in WOT with more regularity:). My mechanic had maxxed my oil pump output, but I have, since break-in period of 1000km, adjusted that to just above factory settings. (see other thread in the Like502t section).
A suggestion had been made to switch from the Kymco-recommended BR8HSA spark plug to a BR8HS (different electrode). With this switch, gas mileage dropped to around 32-33 mpg. (of note, I had also, earlier in the break-in process, tried out an irridium BR8HIX which didn't seem to affect gas mileage much at all). I am back on the BR8HSA.
A couple of days ago, I swapped to an 85 main jet with a fresh plug to check for the mix. I will report back with an update after running a full tank of gas. It is very likely that an 82 main jet may be that to which I return, but we shall see after making a few more changes.
I changed out the stock torque/contra spring to the Jasil 15% (comparable to a 1000rpm spring) and per a suggestion from Moped Hospital upped my roller weight to just above stock (9 gram).
I know, given the feel of the ride, that the 9g is too much weight and have on hand a set each of 8g as well as 7.7g weights that I will try out to find the right mix.
Here, then, is the question (and I will likely pose this question under general discussion):
While I have access to a Milwaukee cordless impact wrench, I do not have a torque stick to moderate fastening the bolt on reassembly.
I do have a variator/clutch tool on the way from Treatland and a proper torque wrench on hand.
How do I properly use the variator tool on the Kymco variator? There are no "holes" on the external face of the variator into which to affix the tool. Do I grasp the metal teeth with the tool to hold it in place?
Any thoughts will be greatly appreciated!
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Re: Updates on what is working, tweaking, and questions
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2012, 01:14:16 AM »
Per the link given by kabory (http://battlescooter.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=howto&action=display&thread=2663) , I am going to assume this is correct, but the variator fins on a Kymco are plastic, yes?
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Re: Updates on what is working, tweaking, and questions
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2012, 01:41:59 AM »
Having checked the Like 50/125 service manual, it appears that grasping the fins is the answer. Just wanted to make sure before I commit:)
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Re: Updates on what is working, tweaking, and questions
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2012, 03:35:55 AM »
I use a nylon strap wrapped around a 1/2" drive extension. Just duct tape the end. Did you mention the forum at Treatland? Discount?
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Re: Updates on what is working, tweaking, and questions
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2012, 06:28:40 PM »
I did mention the forum:) No discount yet, but I figured I'd give us a plug, thanks to your hard work!
My scooter has sputtered at WOT twice now with the jet change. After the first time, I took apart what I had done before and made sure all was clean before returning it to whole. I didn't remove the carb fully, just undid the bolts, emptied the bowl, and changed out the jet. This go 'round it ran for about a day and a half before sputtering. Not a total loss of power, just a momentary reduction and then a little less oomph. We just got hit by a thiunderstorm, but I think I will return to the 88 and see what gives. It may be that the engine wants the extra fuel with the Tecnigas. Regardless, I know that I will need to lessen the weight in the roller.
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Re: Updates on what is working, tweaking, and questions
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2012, 11:03:26 PM »
I would imagine you would wind up bigger on the main. 85 sounds too small. The Silent pro... Is that similar design to OEM? It just may need less jetting. It all depends on the pipe.
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Re: Updates on what is working, tweaking, and questions
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2012, 12:01:59 AM »
Pretty sure the 85 was indeed too small. On checking the plug, there was some color to it, but the insulation was very white. Changed it to an 88, but now I can't get it to start.
When I took the bowl off the last time, it took awhile, but started. This afternoon, after switching back to the 88, I tried kicking and electric starting (with throttle) in a similar combination to what I did Saturday (even holding the airbox tube closed to "force" the gas), but nada. The electric starter finally stopped. I took the battery to Advance to check the charge and it is low, so I got a trickle charger to which the battery is currently hooked up.
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Re: Updates on what is working, tweaking, and questions
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2012, 12:05:24 AM »
Try sucking/blowing thru the Vacuum line. Sometimes the petcock will stick.
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Re: Updates on what is working, tweaking, and questions
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2012, 01:00:12 AM »
Will do at daybreak. Is that the black tube that rests beside the carb or do I need to disconnect from somewhere?
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Re: Updates on what is working, tweaking, and questions
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2012, 01:25:21 AM »
It will be the thiner bottom hose coming from the fuel petcock. This allows the fuel to flow when running, and shuts it off when the engine is stopped. They do stick sometimes.
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Re: Updates on what is working, tweaking, and questions
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2012, 01:55:13 AM »
Excellent. Thank you. I just needed confirmation for what I was seeing in the service manual.
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Re: Updates on what is working, tweaking, and questions
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2012, 10:40:38 AM »
On the plus-side, compression is good at 150:)
When I pulled the vac line off the manifold and sucked, there was no give (or when I blew, for that matter). It was just at dawn, so I couldn't see if any fuel was bubbling in the filter, but it felt as though sucking on a straw with a finger over the other end
I don't have time now to check it further, as I am about to go into an 11 hour workday, but there will still be some daylight afterward (hopefully) for me to play a little.
Trickle charging the battery helped, as the starter definitely isn't shot.
Any thoughts are greatly appreciated!
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Re: Updates on what is working, tweaking, and questions
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2012, 10:48:59 PM »
You will need to remove the fuel line at the carb to induce flow. You will also hear the petcock open/close when you suck/blow. They do get stuck.
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Re: Updates on what is working, tweaking, and questions
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2012, 12:14:07 AM »
Well, I get an "A" for effort:) It was raining when I got back a little bit ago, so I will tackle the hoses tomorrow. What would the symptoms be if I flood the thing?
Thanks for your patience. I'll report back tomorrow.
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Re: Updates on what is working, tweaking, and questions
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2012, 05:01:35 AM »
What would the symptoms be if I flood the thing?

It won't start. You have nothing to loose.
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