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Re: Polini big bore kit for 2011 super 8 50 2t
« Reply #30 on: September 01, 2012, 03:03:10 PM »
Great!

Sounds like you're right on track

Be careful though. Make sure you're not running lean. I shattered my piston rings from running just a tiny bit lean for a while.
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Re: Polini big bore kit for 2011 super 8 50 2t
« Reply #31 on: September 01, 2012, 08:03:05 PM »
Alright. I'll up jet from 82-85

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Re: Polini big bore kit for 2011 super 8 50 2t
« Reply #32 on: September 06, 2012, 10:54:11 PM »
Alright so i didn't like the feeling of the red contra and clutch springs. Was kind of dangerous driving on hills and in local city traffic. Replace from red to yellow. Still running malossi 8.5g rollers. Checked the spark plugs and the color was milky coffee brown. Still running on 82 jet.

After ripping around the block for 30min. While i was sitting at a light, my engine stalled/stopped. Has to restart engine. Went home, changed with my brand new NGK spark plugs. Ripped it around again and around 30min on a red light, engine stopped again. Had to restart and open throttle slightly.

Peter, what can the issues be for this type of scenario?

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Re: Polini big bore kit for 2011 super 8 50 2t
« Reply #33 on: September 06, 2012, 11:59:10 PM »
Well, I'd start by checking the simple things first. Air filter, vac lines, plug wire.

Have you done any plug chops?
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Re: Polini big bore kit for 2011 super 8 50 2t
« Reply #34 on: September 07, 2012, 12:49:49 AM »
can you define the term plug chops?

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Re: Polini big bore kit for 2011 super 8 50 2t
« Reply #35 on: September 07, 2012, 01:26:13 AM »
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You can not go by what the spark plug looks like. You have to do plug chops. This involves warming the engine up, installing a new plug, and starting it, then immediately running it wide open for a mile or two. When you're done, kill the ignition while keeping the throttle wide open. Let the engine come to a complete stop before letting go of the throttle. Pull the plug and look at the white insulator inside. You want a coffee(cream coffee) color on that insulator. There will be a ring of coloration. The distance from the tip also indicates fuel air mix. You can cut the threads off to get a better look(hence the name "plug chop") Here is a good link
http://www.kawtriple.com/mraxl/carb/plugchop.htm
This is from page one of this thread

At this point you may need to do a compression test. Running lean will ruin things quick. You want at least 120 psi. That's the bare minimum though. You should have around 140 or more.

Plug chop step by step:

1. Buy several new spark plugs
2. Warm the engine up with the old plug
3. Find a stretch of road you can run the scooter wide open on maybe 2 or 3 miles.  You need a good starting place and a good stopping place(you'll find out why in a minute). I'll pull into somebody's driveway if I have to.
4. Install a new plug at the starting place(careful the old plug you take out will be hot). Be close to the road because you want to go full throttle within a few seconds of starting the engine
5. Be ready to go(no traffic coming). Start the engine and take off right away. Full throttle. It's very important you maintain full throttle through the whole run.
6. This next step is equally as important. As you approach your stopping place(last 100 ft or so), Keep the throttle wide open and kill the engine will the red kill switch on the handle bar. I repeat, hit the kill switch while still holding the throttle wide open. Slow down and let the engine come to a complete stop before you let go of the throttle.
7. Remove the test plug and reinstall the old one(caution hot)
8. Drive home and take a look at the results. I suggest cutting the threads off the plug to get a good look at the smoke ring. Take a look at this link again. It will give you a good idea of what the ring should look like.
http://www.kawtriple.com/mraxl/carb/plugchop.htm

This is for checking if the main jet is lean or rich. You can use this same method to check mid range(needle setting) as well as idle. Mid range, you would just hold the throttle halfway during the test. Idle is easy.
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Re: Polini big bore kit for 2011 super 8 50 2t
« Reply #36 on: September 07, 2012, 01:30:20 PM »
ok i did the plug chop last night and thankfully no one complained about the loud exhaust. Followed every step on my iphone and my spark plug is still creamy brown coffee color. The scoot didnt stall anymore, maybe it's colder at night time?

Should i still up jet from 82-85? would it hurt. You guys implied it's better to run more rich than lean.

Does idler jet need to be touched or changed to higher setting?

i don't plan on going bigger carb anytime soon. For air filter, if i replace the foam inside to a universal hi flow/ k&n filter, what are the pros and cons?

For my exhaust, i heard there were 2 restrictions. One near the flange and one inside the chamber. Is it worth it to grind the welder off the chamber, remove the restriction and re-weld chamber back in place? Has anyone done it and what are the gains?

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Re: Polini big bore kit for 2011 super 8 50 2t
« Reply #37 on: September 07, 2012, 01:33:40 PM »
And also, i realized that when i go down hill really fast, my max speed always stays at 80km/h. It doesn't roll of the odometer and keep going. My cdi doesn't have the 2 pink wires, it was de-restricted from dealer. To my knowledge, there are no restrictions to my scoot. Anyway i can go past 80 downhill?

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Re: Polini big bore kit for 2011 super 8 50 2t
« Reply #38 on: September 07, 2012, 11:30:54 PM »
my max speed always stays at 80km/h. It doesn't roll of the odometer and keep going.
That may be in the cvt....Need a bit finER tuning?..
The belt size affects this as well.. Of course Word is a CVT master..(bowing)

Should i still up jet from 82-85? would it hurt. You guys implied it's better to run more rich than lean.

Does idler jet need to be touched or changed to higher setting?

It wouldn't hurt to try and see what she feels like with a slightly bigger mj..
Do an idle plug chop and see what that chop says about the pj. IMO, it probably wouldn't hurt to slap at least one size bigger in. In your post earlier about the stalling, the mix being off or a tad lean at idle when hot.

For my exhaust, i heard there were 2 restrictions. One near the flange and one inside the chamber.
Yeah there is a cone that is the size of one side of the chamber. IMO it's not worth the trouble to go through to remove.(but of course my pipe is chrome...lol)
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Re: Polini big bore kit for 2011 super 8 50 2t
« Reply #39 on: September 08, 2012, 05:39:00 PM »
Thanks batman.

I'm changing my yellow contra to red again today. Don't like the acceleration. Up jetting from 82-85. Going to find an universal k&n mesh filter cut out for my box.

I'm still running the same stock cvt belt. Which one do you prefer me run? kevlar? one size smaller?

What size is my factory idler jet?


I will update pictures after all my mods are in place.

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Re: Polini big bore kit for 2011 super 8 50 2t
« Reply #40 on: September 09, 2012, 01:25:28 AM »
And also, i realized that when i go down hill really fast, my max speed always stays at 80km/h. It doesn't roll of the odometer and keep going. My cdi doesn't have the 2 pink wires, it was de-restricted from dealer. To my knowledge, there are no restrictions to my scoot. Anyway i can go past 80 downhill?

Two things, longer belt and the rear pulley is probably restricted

Wouldn't worry about the restricted pulley for now. Mine's still restricted too.

Mine did the same thing for the longest time. I bought a new Gates kevlar belt that was supposed to be the same size but it was actually a little longer. I get up to 55mph+ downhill now. I've heard that kevlar belts are rough on the CVT components though. I didn't find that out til after I bought it. So... Buying a little longer belt will probably give you that little extra top speed. If I were to do it all over again I'd get a Bando belt. Bando is OEM I believe and they last the longest but, it won't have any extra length like my Gates. Just go one step up in length. Parts for scooters is having a sale on Belts this month and they carry Bando too. Check em' out

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Re: Polini big bore kit for 2011 super 8 50 2t
« Reply #41 on: September 09, 2012, 02:01:30 AM »
Turn your idle mix screw all the way in, and count the turns. It should be between 1-3 turns out from seated. That alone will tell if you need a larger pilot jet.
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Re: Polini big bore kit for 2011 super 8 50 2t
« Reply #42 on: September 09, 2012, 06:16:48 AM »
Ok. How does it look like? So just turn it in all the way and see how it goes? If it stalls, change the pj to a higher setting?


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Re: Polini big bore kit for 2011 super 8 50 2t
« Reply #43 on: September 09, 2012, 06:28:36 PM »
The mix screw is the smaller screw on the side of the carb. Turn the screw all the way in. Then back it out say 2 full rotations to start with. Then go either out or in until you get the highest rpms. Keep track of how many total turns out it is. Zombie is saying between 1-3 turns is where you want it. If it takes more than 3 turns, you need a bigger PJ. Once you do find the highest idle, then you adjust the idle speed screw(big screw) to bring the rpms back down to where you prefer the idle speed to be.
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Re: Polini big bore kit for 2011 super 8 50 2t
« Reply #44 on: September 09, 2012, 07:21:25 PM »
Thanks a lot guys. You actually helped me solve my issue. It's not dying anymore. And it sounds a bit meaner at idle now.

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