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Re: What's hapenning?
« Reply #45 on: February 08, 2013, 01:30:28 AM »
Oh well, I guess that's that...  we all have our share of problems...  we have juvenile crimes in our country that cannot be stopped... and is rising... aside from deadly weapons, juveniles carry birth certificates to prove their ages... when they are caught by cops, they just show their birth certificates proving that they are below 18 to prevent jail. They end up in social services for counseling. After a day or two, they're back on the streets....  What people do is just shoot and kill child criminals instead of calling the cops...  :o
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« Reply #46 on: February 08, 2013, 10:39:25 AM »
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You miss the point as usual. We have it built into our constitution, they cannot take it away. I'd much rather live here then where I'm not on equal terms with the bad guys and police

I missed the point? As far as im aware the constitution says you have the right to bear arms, i dont think that by restricting certain firearms you are going against the constitution? You would still have the right to bear arms, just not hi-tech military grade arms. Apart from the fact they may well be good fun to shoot (at targets) i cant see any justification for owning many of these more powerful guns with high capacity magazines and fast fire-rates?

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You missed that our military has an obligation to defend the constitution and I have faith they will not attack the citizens

So in effect there is no real need for an armed militia then anyway?

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Nice how you don't care to address the meat of any pro gun argument on this forum. how about the 170,000,000 killed by tyrants. try and discuss 1 topic

Wtf are you talking about? Did i not mention the Arab springs? These folks unseated tyrants who ruled over them by protest and civil disobedience, and won. The meat of any Pro-gun arguement? Why would i be pro-gun? Guns have no place in a modern civilised society? If i lived in a country where i felt so scared of coming under attack in the street or in my home that i felt i had to arm myself then i would be asking serious questions of my country, my government, my police forces and my sanity. Is that how you see it, its so dangerous you must have access to a gun? If so, thats a sad situation to live in. If on the other hand you just happen to enjoy guns and shooting then fine, but dont use b.s excuses to try make it out to be somekind of security against a possible future tyranical government.


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And what I'm saying about sticking to politics in yourpart of the world is that you obviously know nothing about them in my part of the world. Like I said nothing from me on your countries policies as I'm ignorant of them just as it's so obvious your ignorant of ours.

Despite what you think i am in fact not ignorant of US gov and politics. In fact i am probably better informed than the majority of American citizens who get their daily political fix from Fox or the liberal equivalent. Politics is actually interesting to me, for both good and bad reasons. I dont get you 08, i really dont....... I would have no problem hearing what other foreign people think of my country or its policies and politics, its good to find out how other percieve you around the world (maybe not so good tho if youre American?). I value others input and comments, it often give me something to think about or gives another angle i hadnt always seen.

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On a side note: Where the hell is Mad Dog?

Dont know what you mean? Only "Mad Dog" i know of is Gadaffi, and hes dead.

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  We're not to judge all Muslims by the acts of a few "crazies," but the acts of a few American crazies is enough to judge all Americans who own guns. 

Very true, yes, i totally agree. I dont. I have many American friends, most online but a couple of "real life" ones too. Being such a huge country with such a large population im sure you have all kinds there, as we have here. The thing that gets me, and most other non-Americans, is tho WHY is NOTHING done to stop or at least minimise tbe risk of these incidents happening again? As a responsible gun owner i would be demanding action to stop my name being blackened futher by the next loon who goes on a rampage with a weapon? I would be happy to see certain controls or measures put in place to help protect innocents being murdered, and to prevent my hobby/sport/interest being dragged down (as it is now) even if that meant i may have to give up that one particular type of gun or ammo or have access to them heavily restricted. I also agree you need better access to mental health care, whether you have ins or not. Guns are not the whole problem here, but they are part of the problem.

So do you think no gun control at all is needed? Or some kind of control or new improved check/monitoring is needed? I have friends here who shoot clay's and one hunts dear and birds, both have gun licenses but had to jump thro hoops to get them, agreeing to random home checks by the police, proper background checks and both know if they get into any trouble with the pokice or courts they have a real good chance of losing their gun license. Neither of them has ANY real problem complying, they can see it stops anyone just owning a gun, it helps weed out the nuts and unstable folk and keeps their sport/hobby from being dragged down by a few psychos.

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Re: What's hapenning?
« Reply #47 on: February 08, 2013, 10:43:29 PM »
Just popping in to make a few points, I always enjoy a good, civil debate.

Military grade weapons aren't available to the general public in the US. Soldiers have weapons the are switchable from semiauto to fully automatic. Even the big, bad "assault weapons" that people want to ban are just semiautomatic, like most other firearms and can't shoot any faster. Their cosmetic features make them look like military weapons.

Except in the most urban areas, police response time is many times greater than 2-3 minutes. Sometimes it can be an hour or more in very rural areas. We have states bigger than many European countries. You'd better be ready to protect yourself and your family and not depend on law enforcement.

Weapon technology has advanced just like communications technology. Should the 1st amendment apply only to the town crier and printing press? That was state of the art back in the 1700's.

Gun culture differs in various countries just like scooter culture. Areas of Europe and Asia have many more scooter riders than most of the US. What if politicians there decided that scooters below 100cc were too dangerous to ride and outlawed them? I have a feeling there'd be a huge outcry of "your taking away our freedoms."

There are about 20,000 guns laws now in the US. Maybe if the courts did a better job of enforcing existing laws it would help reduce gun crime.

And by the way, none of my guns went out and shot anyone today.

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Re: What's hapenning?
« Reply #48 on: February 08, 2013, 11:58:23 PM »
Thank you AVguy!
Well said and good analogies. I happen to live in one of those rural areas and our police/sheriff response time takes forever and the best I know how to describe these village idiots is a cross between Larry the Cable Guy and Barney Fife. With home invasions on the rise I practice diligently to withstand having my door kicked in. I also keep a loaded 9mm tucked away in my recliner. I have attended firearms safety courses and am the only defense I need to save my family from thugs and gangs.
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Re: What's hapenning?
« Reply #49 on: February 09, 2013, 02:13:37 AM »
You are right AVGuy... In our country, 2-stroke scooters/motorbikes are being phased out...that's the law... and no 2-stroker fan can do anything about it. 

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« Reply #50 on: February 09, 2013, 04:21:15 AM »
Just popping in to make a few points, I always enjoy a good, civil debate.

Military grade weapons aren't available to the general public in the US. Soldiers have weapons the are switchable from semiauto to fully automatic. Even the big, bad "assault weapons" that people want to ban are just semiautomatic, like most other firearms and can't shoot any faster. Their cosmetic features make them look like military weapons.

Except in the most urban areas, police response time is many times greater than 2-3 minutes. Sometimes it can be an hour or more in very rural areas. We have states bigger than many European countries. You'd better be ready to protect yourself and your family and not depend on law enforcement.

Weapon technology has advanced just like communications technology. Should the 1st amendment apply only to the town crier and printing press? That was state of the art back in the 1700's.

Gun culture differs in various countries just like scooter culture. Areas of Europe and Asia have many more scooter riders than most of the US. What if politicians there decided that scooters below 100cc were too dangerous to ride and outlawed them? I have a feeling there'd be a huge outcry of "your taking away our freedoms."

There are about 20,000 guns laws now in the US. Maybe if the courts did a better job of enforcing existing laws it would help reduce gun crime.

And by the way, none of my guns went out and shot anyone today.

Ride safe.





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You are right AVGuy... In our country, 2-stroke scooters/motorbikes are being phased out...that's the law... and no 2-stroker fan can do anything about it. 

Here too Vivo. A matter of fact, it's one of the major reasons I was interested in Kymco in the first place. Real hard to find 2-strokes anymore. Quality 2t engines anyway. No Japanese or American made 2-Stroke bikes are available in the US anymore as far as I know. I happen to own two Yamaha Blaster 2-Stroke quads. I have a feeling value will only increase as time goes on. Of course I own two Kymco 2-strokes as well. I love 2-stroke engines. My PS3 username is twostroksmoke  :D
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« Reply #51 on: February 09, 2013, 05:40:12 AM »
There you have it ladies and gents... two-stoke smokes and gun smokes.... ;D

The difference between our country and other countries is that we have several armed groups here... there is the Abu Sayyaf, the New Peoples' Army, the Moro Islamic Liberation Front, other private armies, and even mountain bandits.... Citizens need to arm themselves not only with handguns but also with higher caliber weapons for security purposes. We even had the CHDF - Civilian Home Defense Force...as per a Presidential Decree.... arming civilians to fight insurgency...










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Re: What's hapenning?
« Reply #52 on: February 09, 2013, 05:28:57 PM »
There you have it ladies and gents... two-stoke smokes and gun smokes.... ;D

The difference between our country and other countries is that we have several armed groups here... there is the Abu Sayyaf, the New Peoples' Army, the Moro Islamic Liberation Front, other private armies, and even mountain bandits.... Citizens need to arm themselves not only with handguns but also with higher caliber weapons for security purposes. We even had the CHDF - Civilian Home Defense Force...as per a Presidential Decree.... arming civilians to fight insurgency...

We had something like that too up until 20 years ago. Not anymore. Now we are a part of NATO bandit gang so we are "protected" by NATO and go in missions to "fight terrorism" in Afghanistan etc., serving the big dogs of the game.

If I lived in USA and with Predators and Reapers getting green light to be deployed domestically, I would probably have to invest in anti-aircraft artillery too, not only to defend my home from intruders. I wonder how people in USA will defend their "rights" from drones, for example.

Streido: I am afraid nothing much happened after West-orchestrated "Arab spring" for the people of those countries. Libya was turned into a Mad Max-state with radical islamists running the show, of which ex. American ambassador could speak if he was not dispatched to another world by them. Egypt is still in turmoil with people sitting in Tahrir square and protesting, after almost 3 years. Again Sunni wahabbis in charge, they replaced Mubarak with another dictator. West, Saudi and Qatar sponsored terrorists killed dozens of people in Syria and it has been going on for almost two years. I will not even discuss Palestine, Israel and what USA is constantly trying to do messing with Iran. It's a shame what so called "West", run by USA is doing in Africa and Middle East, and how sheep like my country were dragged into the whole story.
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Re: What's hapenning?
« Reply #53 on: February 09, 2013, 06:33:19 PM »
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What if politicians there decided that scooters below 100cc were too dangerous to ride and outlawed them?

I wouldnt be happy i guess but if the reason why they were being banned made sense and banning them saved lives then i would have to accept it. Same with if they banned petrol/diesel to save the enviroment, as long as i had an alternative and my life wasnt going to change drastically i would have no problems, even tho im into classic cars and scooters that run on petrol. Or if i insisted on using my vlassics i would modify them to suit the new regulations/laws, in the same way i would if they introduced new car license requirements/tests. Same surely could apply to guns?

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Maybe if the courts did a better job of enforcing existing laws it would help reduce gun crime

Maybe. Seems to be a massive problem with stolen/unregistered guns getting into criminals hands very easily?

Im not trying to start a huge arguement here, was only giving my opinion. I didnt expect an easy ride. I still cannot see any reasonable justification for owning many of the guns available other than just for fun. Anyway, we'll see what, if anything, changes. I just hope they can find some way to stop or at least minimise many more innocents being shot.
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